Re: Language wars...

["Joshua D. Drake" <..hidden..>]

Ed W wrote:
> Chris Travers wrote:
>> Hi Ed;
>>
>> We have lookd at MVC concepts and frameworks.  We think the concepts
>> are a good fit, but we don't like the ORM-centric nature of the
>> frameworks.  This is actually something we have a relatively strong
>> concensus regarding in the core team.
>>   
> 
> My 2p is that people assume that because an ORM is provided that you 
> have to use it.  I have a bunch of code which uses a Rails Model which 
> doesn't even attach to a database at all... See it's not just for ORM

You are correct, you don't have to use the ORM and you can break out of
it. But then why use it at all? It is reasonably simple (especially the
direction we are going) to just have a sane api that you don't have to
break out of.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake



> 
> I think in the Perl case that frameworks like Catalyst are even less 
> tied to the ORM concept and like you said below you can use TT for the 
> V, anything you like for the M and a bunch of free hooking provided by 
> the framework.
> 
> I'm not trying to force anything on anyway, just trying to point out 
> that you seem to be overlooking these frameworks for a reason which is 
> not necessarily valid
> 
> Good luck
> 
> Ed W
> 
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