Re: Freedom; Re: migration to sql-ledger

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Peeter Pärtel <..hidden..> wrote:

Hi,

I noticed something... we are talking about inventory which uses FIFO method. And yes I understand when using FIFO and You delete some random invoice, the numbers might get wrong.

Actually I was going through and realized that every inventory valuation method poses problems when you start deleting invoices.

For most of the companies we do accounting there is no inventory involved. Can those sales and purchase invoices / transactions be editable? Also general ledger transactions? Maybe, we could do inventory in some other program / way for those few companies who really need it.

I think you are talking about rare needs of your own business here. Assuming that "can be changed until approved" isn't good enough, nor would be the ability to filter out reversals, I will follow up with you off-list.

Coming back to FIFO... how is credit invoicing handled on LedgerSMB? When I credit something back to inventory, what value it will be? For example I buy at 4 and sell at 10 and then credit - what value is accounted to inventory? If I remember correctly it's a old problem for many programs. How LedgerSMB 1.4 handles it?

We reverse most recent sales, at least in 1.3+. And we actually have pretty good unit tests covering this part.

For our case changing workflow etc is not a solution. Only acceptable solution for us is editing with the result that there is no way to see the old version (it has to get deleted in the database level). I understand that in many use cases You want to see everything that has been done, but for us it's the opposite. I care about beatiful end result.

One key aspect of what we care about (and have cared about since the fork) is making sure that things are done according to GAAP.

Now, I recognize this poses some problems for you. Long-run I would hope you would be willing to work with us to find ways of meeting your needs in ways which are according to generally accepted accounting principles. This means asking why you don't want to be able to audit changes to transactions. Obviously we cannot raise the possibility for others that someone will delete the transactions in their databases (though of course we cannot foreclose that database administrators could do so).

When really no editing is and will not be available, then I need to search for another accounting package, which can do it. Going back to SQL-Ledger seems today easiest option even though I'm not aware how it has evolved over the years and how easy it's to switch there from LedgerSMB 1.2. Has someone tried it?

No editing means that all documents have to be in draft for certain period before final posting. That would mean I don't get real time results (income statement and balance sheet)...

How far would an option to pull in unapproved transactions on all financial reports and searches get you?

which means I can't check middle of the process how things are and which mistakes are in it... it will slow everything down.

One other thing we have in this area is batches of vouchers. Vouchers are like drafts but they are approved in groups, and there are some extra tools for oversight there. Not saying it is enough either, but it is worth considering. If people are entering vouchers in batches then you can check amounts, etc. of the batches.

Can't have it again... that was the main solution to stop using HansaWorld back in 2005 as this program had thatkind of workflow.

Those are good pieces of feedback. They provide solid guidance as to what we need to do in order to make the existing approach work better for you.

I'm sorry for causing any problems, but it's good news for me in a way... that I became aware of this before spending too much time translating LedgerSMB 1.4 into Estonian. As it seems I will not be using it.

No problems. The feedback is helpful.

All the Best,

Peeter

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